问:怎样克服困扰我的心智?
How to overcome the mind which bothers me?

古儒吉:那是它的天性。
你知道你比心智大的多吗?醒过来,随心智去吧。

That’s its nature.
Do you know you are bigger than the mind? Wake up. Let the mind be there.

问:古儒吉,我怎样才能认出我的灵魂伴侣?
Gurudev, how do I recognize my soul mate?

古儒吉:首先你必须认出你自己的灵魂,然后才是灵魂伴侣。

你不了解你自己,你不知道你是谁。你對自己一無所知。你不了解你的心智; 你自己的心智让你发疯。

一分钟前它想要一些东西,下一分钟它又想要另外的东西。心智一直在改变主意,它把自己困住了。

那就是为什么在《薄伽梵歌》里有这么一句话:「你自己的心智对你的束缚和你的自由负责。没有其他的东西。」

你自己的心智,如果它表现得像你的朋友一样,同样它也会像你的敌人。

如果你的心智通过灵修被训练的很好,它会與你為善,它会帮助你。

否则你自己的心智就表现的像个敌人。这是真的嗎?这是如此的真实!

我要告诉你在上周,正好在我到这里之前发生的一件事。

在静心所的前面,我们有一个静心所的布告牌。很巧的是,来了一个特别的政治团体,他们的人在那块布告牌上张贴了他们的广告,只是為了搞点恶作剧。

他们张贴了很大的广告,因为要为这个政治团体的头目举行一个生日派对。于是我们的保安人员和其他人很自然地就把它撕下来,因为人们来静心所看不到布告牌,不知道要往哪里去。

现在,这个团体当地的头目气的发疯,他开始尖叫,威胁我们一个老师说,我要带很多人来,我们要示威。我们会在它前面绝食等等这样非常生气的话。

我们的保安也说:「好啊,你们来啊!让咱们走着瞧,我们也不是好惹的。」

于是,正當我開車去城里另外一个项目时,我秘书告诉我这件事情。我对他讲:「给这个当地的头目打电话,和他談談。」

于是我秘书就给他打电话,告诉他说:「古儒吉剛来了,他希望你带一篮水果,一个花环和一条披肩给这个过生日的人,并且送给他来自古儒吉的祝福。」而他同意了。

接着他问:「为什么他们要撕下我们的广告?」

我的秘书表现得很無知的说:「哦,你有麻烦了,是吗?为什么你不告诉我呢?你早应该通知我。古儒吉剛到了,他在巡迴旅行。他听说有一个生日派对,他想送上祝福。所以你去把这些东西送给你的领导,给他祝福吧。」

整个僵局化解了,他感到被授予了很大的权力。现在他能够带着花环和我的祝福去他的老板那里了,他也能就此接近这个团体的最高领导者。

他想制造的整个大闹剧被一个电话终结了。他能很自豪地到他团体的老板那里说:「古儒吉大師派我来送给你一个花环。」

因此,他感到被授权,而我们的人也感到放心了。

明白吗,当你知道怎样化解冲突的时候,是容易的。

所有只花上一个电话。但不是每个小把戏都能处处起作用。在不同的地方,你得不同的去处理。

有时候你要强硬,堅定地说不。有时候你要老练和有技巧。

总是会有人要搞恶作剧的,你要有技巧地处理所有这些情形。

古人说有四种方法处理任何状况—— 谈Sama,恕 Dana,硬Bheha和棒Danda。

1、谈Sama的意思是用对话、劝導、讨论和溝通。

2、恕 Dana的意思是原谅。「没关系,每个人都会犯错。」于是你给他们一个机会。

3、硬Bheha的意思是漠不关心。一点点强硬,并表明看法。

4、棒Danda的意思是拿一根棒子,这是最后的手段。

通常我们一开始就用后面两招。我们不走和谐的道路。你应该先采取和谐的方式,接着给一个机会,接下来漠视,最后,如果什么都不起作用,Danda,拿起一根棒子。

这就是被称为的处理任何状况四种技巧。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

First you should recognize your soul and then your soul mate.

You don’t know yourself, you don’t know who you are. You don’t know anything about yourself. You don’t know your mind; your own mind drives you crazy.

One minute it wants something and the next minute it wants something else. The mind keeps changing its mind all the time, and it gets caught up.

That is why in the Bhagavad Gita, there is a saying, ‘Your own mind is responsible for your bondage and for your liberation,’ there is nothing else.

Your own mind, if it acts like your friend, it also acts like your enemy.

If your mind is trained well through Sadhana (spiritual practices), it befriends you, and it helps you. Otherwise your own mind behaves like an enemy. Isn’t this so true? It is so true!

I want to tell you an incident that happened last week, just before I came here.

In front of the Ashram we have a signboard of the Ashram. It so happened that a particular political party, their people came and put their posters on that signboard, just to create mischief.

They put big posters because there was a birthday party of the head of that political party. So our security people and others, naturally they pulled it down because people coming to the ashram couldn’t see the signboard and didn’t know where to go.

Now, the local leader of the party got very wild and he started screaming and threatening one of our teachers saying , I’m going to bring a lot of people and we will have a demonstration. And in front of that we will do hunger strike’, and these very angry exchange of words happened. And our security people also said, ‘Yes, you come. Let us see, we are also very strong.’

So, when I was driving to the city for another program, my secretary told me this story.
I told him, ‘Call this local leader and talk to him.’

So my secretary called him and told him, ‘Gurudev has just come, he wants you to take a basket full of fruits, a garland and a shawl for the person who has a birthday, and give him blessings from Gurudev’, and he agreed.

Then he asked, ‘Why did they pull out our posters?’

My secretary played innocent and said, ‘Oh, you had some difficulty, is it so?! Why didn’t you tell me? You should have informed me. Gurudev has just come, he was on a tour. He heard there was a birthday party and he wants to send blessing. So you go and take these things to your leader and give him blessings.’

The whole situation got defused and he felt very empowered. So now he could go to his boss with a garland and blessings from me, and he also got access to his superior in the party.

All the big drama he was going to create ended with one phone call. He could go to the boss of his party with pride and say, ‘Gurudev has sent me to give you a garland.’

So, he felt empowered and our people felt relieved.

See, when you know how you can defuse conflicts, it is easy.

All that it cost was a phone call. But not every trick works everywhere. In different places you have to work differently. Sometime you have to take a tough stand, put your foot down and say no. Sometimes you have to be diplomatic and skillful.

Always there will be people who try to create mischief, you need to have skill to handle all those situations.

The ancient people said that there are four ways to deal with any situation – Sama, Dana, Bheda and Danda.

1. Sama means with dialogue, with persuasion, with some discussion and communication

2. Dana means forgiving. ‘Never mind, everybody makes mistakes’, and so you give them a chance

3. Bheda means being indifferent. Being a little tough and making a point

4. Danda mean taking a stick, which is the last resort

Usually we use the last two ways in beginning itself. We don’t go with the harmonious path.
You must first take the harmonious path, and then give a chance, and then discriminate, and finally, if nothing works, Danda, which is take a stick.

These are called the four skillful ways of handling any situation.

问:古儒吉,你说过不要跟别人解释。但是如果我们心里很沉重,感到需要谈谈它,那该做什么呢?
Gurudev, you have said that we shouldn’t give explanations to people. But if we have something on our heart that is heavy and feel the need to talk about it, then what to do?

古儒吉:这种事没有常规,有时候你想讲出来,变得平静;有时候说出来并不会有任何益处。

醒过来看一看,整个世界就像一场梦。所有那些想法都過去了,人们的作為也会過去。有些人做得好,有些人做得壞,但每个人都會死去,而世界也会完结。

这集合的人都将离去。而新人会来,然后他们全都会死。然后另外一個集合的人会来,他们會相互争斗,他们会拥抱,爱,亲吻,做每一件事,然后他们全都会死。

现在地球上有70亿人口,而这70亿人都会死。只是几年間的事而已。在另一个百年里,你认为同样的人还会在这里吗?这里没有一个人还会活着。而两百年之后,甚至孙子也不在了。

明白吗,这个世界就像一条河,在这河里時刻都有新鲜的水流著。是什么事情让你这么困扰呢?

如果你想留下什么东西,它应该是能够帮助别人的一些知识;它应该是某些人有用的。而不是他所说,她所说,或者是你對某某状况的意見。算了吧,這都是一派胡言!把它们扔出窗外去。它無任何意义。

你耗费好几个小时在解释:你为什么这样感觉,为什么别人怎么是那样的感觉。

你知道吗,当时间变化时,心智也会变化。在那裡有一門關於這點的美丽的科学。你也能从星象图上得到一些关于心智如何与时间相联系的线索。

改天,我们会开一个课程,探討心智、时间和星球的相互联接。明白吗,我不想说占星术因为很多时候它被滥用和被误解。它是当前其中一門最杂乱无章的科学。

毫无疑问,占星术是一门科学,但它已经被扭曲了这么多,以致於你无法看出它的原型。

按照吠陀占星学,有十二个星座和九个行星。

有说若木星在你出生的时候经过第八宫,它对你的心智有影响。

同样的,当土星经过第八宫的时候,它让你的情绪乱七八糟。

当木星在第八宫的时候,你全然喪失了智慧。不过那只持續十一个月,在这十一个月里,只有三个月让你非常痛苦。除非直到你处於深度的灵性知识或开悟的时候,这绝对会影响你的心智。

但是如果你知道,「我的心智或情绪有三个月会有一点点小麻烦」,你就不会在这几个月里做决定或做事情。

同样地,每隔两天半,心智的状态就会改变。如果你痛苦,它不会超过两天半。会有一个间歇,然后它可能会再来。就像这样,宇宙对心智造成影响。

能让你免於这个影响的就是唱场、静心和唱诵。所有这些就像让你穿上盔甲一样。

箭射来的时候,只要你有盔甲,它真的伤不到你。

所以,多次唱诵「om namah shivaya」在你的周围張開盔甲,保你免受所有这些疯狂事情的影响。

我们在班格罗静心所为全世界和我们所有的虔信者的福祉做祭礼(Yagnas)。每个月做六次小的祭礼。在九夜节(Navratri)时,我们做一个大的,给全世界和所有我们的虔信者带来和平、昌盛和护蔭。

这些是古人的方法。我们将来會就这个題目有更多知识和课程。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

There is no one rule for it, sometime you want to speak and become calm and sometimes speaking doesn’t help in any way.

Wake up and see, the whole world is like a dream. All those thoughts have gone, the behavior of people will disappear. Some people act good and some act bad, but everyone is going to die, and the world will be finished.

This set of people will all go away. Then new people will come and they will all die. Then another set of people will come, they will fight among themselves, they will hug, love, kiss, do everything, and they will all die.

Seven billion people on the planet today and all these seven billion people will all die. It is only a matter of a few years. In another hundred years, do you think the same people will be here? Not one person who is here today will be alive. And two hundred years later, even the grandchildren will not be there.

See, the world is like a river, there is fresh water flowing every moment in this river. What is it that you are so bothered about?

If you want to leave something behind, it should be some knowledge that would help someone; that would be useful to someone. Not what he said, what she said, and what do you think about so-and-so situation. Come on, this is all nonsense! Throw them out of the window. It has no meaning.

Hours together you waste in explaining, why you felt the way you were feeling and how and why others are feeling the way they are feeling.

Do you know, when the time changes, the mind also changes. There is a beautiful science about this. You can also get a clue from the astrological chart, how the mind is connected with time.

Sometime, we will start a course on the connection between mind, time and the planets.
See, I don’t want to say astrology because it has been misused and misinterpreted so many times. It is a one of the most disorganized science today.

No doubt astrology is a science but it has been distorted so much that you can’t even see what the original is.

There are twelve constellations and nine planets according to Vedic astrology.

It is said that when Jupiter transits in the eighth place from the time you are born, it has an impact on your mind.

Similarly, when Saturn transits the eighth place, it makes your emotions go topsy-turvy.
When Jupiter is in the eighth place, you lose all your wisdom. But that is only for eleven months, and in these eleven months, it is only for three months that it makes you so miserable. Unless and until you are in deep spiritual knowledge or enlightened, this will definitely affect your mind.

But if you know, ‘These are the three months that are going to be a little difficult on my mind and emotions’, then you will not take decisions, or do thing in those months.

Similarly, every two and a half days, the mood of the mind changes.

If you are miserable, it won’t exceed two and half days. There will be a break and then it may come again.

Like this, the cosmos has an influence on the mind.

What can protect you from this influence is satsang, meditation, chanting. All this is like putting on an armour.

An arrow was coming, but you have an armor, so it didn’t really hit you.

So, singing and chanting ‘Om Namah Shivaya‘ so many times makes an armour around you and protects you from being affected by all these crazy things.

We do Yagnas in the Bangalore Ashram for the welfare of the whole world and for all of our devotees. There is a small Yagna done six times every month, and during Navratri we do a big one to bring peace, prosperity and protection to the world and all our devotees.

These are the ways of the ancient people. We will have more knowledge and courses on this in the future.

问:思緒是從哪里来的?
Where do the thoughts come from?

古儒吉:你这个念頭剛剛才来的吗?这个念頭從哪里来的?它在你里面,那你为什么不坐下来看一看,它是从哪里来的呢?

当你坐下来思考思想起源的一刻,心智变得一片空白。那显示着思想从哪里来。

你是思緒、意念和情绪的源头 – 那内在的空间。

就像有人问:「云是從哪儿来的?」

云只是徘徊在天空中而已。同样的,在我们内在的天空里,有三种空間(akashas) —— 一个是外層空间,第二个是思緒和情绪起源的内在空间,而第三个空间是见证者。在那里什么也没有,只是極乐。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

This thought came to you just now? Where did this thought come from? It came in you, so why don’t you sit and see, where it is coming from?

The moment you sit and think what is the origin of thought the mind goes blank. That indicates from where thoughts are coming.

You are the source from where thoughts, ideas and emotions come – that inner space.

It is like someone asking, ‘Where do the clouds come from?’

Clouds are just hovering in the sky. In the same way, in our inner sky, there are three akashas – one is the outer space, the second is the inner space where thoughts and emotion come, and there is the third space which is a witness. Where there is nothing, just bliss.

问:怎样获得不动摇的信心?
How to get a faith that never shakes?

古儒吉:如果是真的信心,就让它动摇。

真理是永远不会离开的,如果信心伴随着真理,就让它动摇。它是永不会迷失的。

事实上,你应该尽可能地怀疑。

只有当一件事不是真实时,你可以说:「不要怀疑!」

如果它是真金,我告诉你,尽可能地一直刮它。但如果它只是包金或者是镀金,那么你说:「不要刮的太厉害,它会消失的。」

对真金而言,无论刮多少次都不会让它消失。

怀疑只是缺乏能量。当你能量高时,怀疑在哪里?

当能量低时,怀疑就会来。真正的信心是你动摇了一百次,它还是保持著。那是真的信心,它会保持著的。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

If it is true faith, let it shake.

Truth will never go, and if the faith is with the truth, let it shake. It will never get lost.

In fact, you should doubt as much as possible.

You can say, ‘Don’t doubt’, only when a thing is not a genuine thing.

If it is genuine gold, I tell you, go on scratching as much as possible. But if it is just rolled in gold, or gold polish, then you say, ‘Don’t scratch too much because it will disappear.’

With true gold, any amount of scratching will not make it go away.

Doubt is simply lack of energy. When you are high in energy, where is the doubt?

Doubt comes when the energy is low. True faith is that which you shake a hundred times and it still stays on. That is true faith, and it will remain.

问:你说我们来到静心所就再生了 —— 为什么世界不是一个静心所?
You said we come to the Ashram and regenerate – why is the world not an Ashram?

古儒吉:对我而言,世界是我的静心所。

但当你来到一个實质的场所或者是静心所的时候,那个地方一直有静心在發生,那个地方保留著那些振波。

看看你的家,有吃饭的地方、有休息的地方、有扔垃圾的地方。同样地,在世界上,所有的事情都有它存在的地方。

我要你们每一位都把你的家成為静心所。什么是静心所呢?它是一个有智慧、有爱的地方。它欢迎任何人来,给他们吃的,他们可以来这里放松。

如果你能创造这样的一种力量,那么全世界就是一个静心所。事实上,当你走到森林里或树林里和大自然在一起,它全都只是静心所。

我说世界上的每一颗树都在我自己的花园里,在我自己的静心所里。这是事实,但有时候你觉得这样没有帮助,于是你需要去一个地方给自己充电,于是你就来到这里(静心所)。

在这儿,你非常明显地感受到能量。就像在你自己的家,你可以身在任何地方,但如果你想感受食物的香氣,你必须走到厨房。你可以在任何地方吃东西,但在厨房或者餐厅,就是香氣所在。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

To me the world is my Ashram.

But when you come in a physical place, or in an Ashram where there is always meditation happening, that place holds those vibrations.

See in your home, there is a place for dining, a place for resting, and a place for garbage. Like that, in the world, there is a place for everything.

I would love everyone of you to make your home an Ashram. And what is an Ashram? It is a place where there is wisdom and where there is love. It is a place where anybody who comes is welcomed and given some food so that they can come and relax.

If you can create such a power then the whole world is an Ashram. In fact, when you go and be with nature in the forest or in the woods, it is all an Ashram only.

I say that every tree in the world is in my own garden; in my own ashram. This is the fact, but sometimes when you feel that this is not helping, that you need a place where you can go and energize yourself, then you come here (Ashram).

It will be very obvious for you to feel the energy here. Just like in your home, you can be anywhere, but if you want to feel the aroma of food, you have to walk into the kitchen.
You can eat anywhere, but in kitchen or dining area, the aroma is there.

问:灵魂有目的吗?
Does the soul have an aim?

古儒吉:是的。灵魂绝对有目的,就是和超灵合一。小心智的目的就是与大心智合一。

每一朵浪花都想冲刷岸边而与大海合一,实际它已经是了!

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

Yes, the soul definitely has an aim, to become one with the super-soul. The small mind’s aim is to become one with the big mind.

Every wave wants to wash the shore and become one with the ocean, which it already is!

问:什么是时间?
What is time?

古儒吉:两个事件之间的距离。什么是距离,如果你问我,它就是两个物体之间的空间。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

The distance between two events.
What is distance, if you ask me, it is the space between two objects.

问:怎样回到源头?
How to go back to the source?

古儒吉:只是通過安静,忘卻和放鬆你會回到源头。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

Just by being quiet, unlearning and unwinding you will get back to the source.

问:你能给我们讲讲铁时代(Kali Yuga)吗?
Can you tell us about Kali Yuga.

古儒吉:有四种于加(时代 Yugas); 时间被分成四个层面:

1、     黃金时代(Satya Yuga),此時有大量正能量。

2、     銀时代(Treta Yuga),此時正能量少許下降

3、     青銅时代(Dvapara Yuga),当正能量再降低多一点,而

4、     铁时代(Kali Yuga), 当正能量降低更多的时候。

这就是所謂的铁时代, 但我告诉你,在铁时代里存在著黃金时代(Satya Yuga)。

在你感到快乐的日子,知道你处在黃金时代(Satya Yuga)。当你完全地痛苦时,你就是在铁时代(Kali Yuga)。在这个意义上,在大的铁时代(Kali Yuga)里,也有好时光。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

There are four Yugas; time is divided into four aspects.

1. Satya Yuga, when there is a lot of positivity

2. Treta Yuga, when the positivity goes a little down

3. Dvapara Yuga, when the positivity goes a little more down, and

4. Kali Yuga, when positivity goes down even more

This is what is said about Kali Yuga. But I tell you, within Kali Yuga there is Satya Yuga.

The days when you feel happy, know that you are in Satya Yuga. And when you are totally miserable, you are in Kali Yuga.

In that sense, within the big Kali Yuga also, there are good times.

问:你说真理是矛盾的。你能告诉我们理解这个道理的简单方法吗?
You said truth is contradictory. Can you give us an easy way to understand this?

古儒吉:牛奶是好的,而牛奶也是坏的。

牛奶如果你喝一杯是好的,壞是如果你喝两公升。明白了吗?

如果你从弗羅伊登城(Freudenstadt)到徳国靜心所,你必须朝前走然后右转。但如果從区本拿(Oppenau)来,你必须向前走,然后左转。两个指示都是对的,但它们是矛盾的。

真理是球形的,不是线性的。当任何事物是球形时,就有多个途径到達它。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

Milk is good and milk is bad.

Milk is good if you drink one glass, bad if you drink two litres. Got it?!

If you come to Bad Antogast from Freudenstadt, you have to go straight down and turn to your right. But from Oppenau, you have to go straight and turn left.

Both instructions are true, but they are contradictory.

Truth is spherical, it is not linear. When anything is spherical there are multiple ways to get to that.

问:印度快变成2000年前的模樣吗?
Is India on the verge of becoming the country it was 2,000 years ago?

古儒吉:如果政客容许这发生,是有可能的。

政客现在已经成了意大利、印度和希腊的难题了。是政客驱使国家走向破产。

每个国家都有足够的资源和好人。活力是有的,但貪腐让国家变成原始的,中世纪的状态。

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar:

If the politicians let it happen, it will.

The politicians have become a problem in Italy, in India, and in Greece. It is the politicians who are driving the country towards bankruptcy.

Each country has enough resources and good people. There is dynamism, but corruption is taking the nations to a primitive, medieval era.